VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

4.70 star(s) 1,638 Votes
Discussion Reviews (1,638)
shazba jnr

shazba jnr

Member
Feb 3, 2024
471
3,370
Better Cock Spock said:
View attachment 4331930
Do people think Patreon just made up the word "Patron"? Like it's just a funny name or something for members? :rolleyes:
I'm not defending him taking over a year to make the episode, and there's a lot more that sucks about DPC, but the whole point is everyone's patronage allows him to make developing the game his full time job. You're the "studio" funding the development of a "AAA game". If you view it as paying for the game itself over the course of however long it takes, then of course the price is outrageous, but A) that's incorrect and B) just stop your subscription, and only pay for the finished product. God I feel like the guy on a certain popular game's thread, with his obnoxious pedantry. Fuck :cautious:
Click to expand...
"You're the 'studio' funding the development of a 'AAA game'"​

Except there's no return on investment at all. They're just supporters who want DPC to succeed in his creation of the game.

I think these AVN creators have begun to take the piss when it comes to delivering though. Most Patreon creators are putting out continuous content, be they pod casts or whatever, and in that sense, the patrons are paying for continuous content.

AVNs on Patreon were initially putting out monthly (or faster) content, which is appropriate since it coincides with monthly payments, but then a few started to break the model, and deliver "more" over a longer periods of time. Others soon followed suit and it's definitely become that the "better" games here are now taking fucking forever to put out episodes.

Consider DPC's first game. Episode 1 was released in May 2018 and the final episode, episode 7, was released in December of the same year. The entire game wasn't even 3.5GB, but it was a complete game and absolutely captured the hearts of so many readers.

Then he started this game, it took him almost 3 months to get out the second episode (not sure how long the first took). And he's just been taking longer and longer for each episode since, because the patrons let him.

Even the Interlude took him about 3 months to make (the patrons donated somewhere between $100K and 250K during that time).

At this rate, with each episode taking longer than the last, episode 16 will take a year and a half to develop, and released in just over 6 years time. And unless his patrons abandon him (and they've remained pretty stable for the last 3 years now), he will have raked in somewhere between 4 and 11 million US dollars.

There's no fucking way this game is worth that kind of money, but good luck to him if he can pull it off for the next 6+ years...
 
  • Like
Reactions: BruceWayne123, ZT695, dustmanlsz and 5 others
Crusader of Romance

Crusader of Romance

Well-Known Member
Dec 14, 2019
1,400
1,517
shazba jnr said:
"You're the 'studio' funding the development of a 'AAA game'"​

Except there's no return on investment at all. They're just supporters who want DPC to succeed in his creation of the game.

I think these AVN creators have begun to take the piss when it comes to delivering though. Most Patreon creators are putting out continuous content, be they pod casts or whatever, and in that sense, the patrons are paying for continuous content.

AVNs on Patreon were initially putting out monthly (or faster) content, which is appropriate since it coincides with monthly payments, but then a few started to break the model, and deliver "more" over a longer periods of time. Others soon followed suit and it's definitely become that the "better" games here are now taking fucking forever to put out episodes.

Consider DPC's first game. Episode 1 was released in May 2018 and the final episode, episode 7, was released in December of the same year. The entire game wasn't even 3.5GB, but it was a complete game and absolutely captured the hearts of so many readers.

Then he started this game, it took him almost 3 months to get out the second episode (not sure how long the first took). And he's just been taking longer and longer for each episode since, because the patrons let him.

Even the Interlude took him about 3 months to make (the patrons donated somewhere between $100K and 250K during that time).

At this rate, with each episode taking longer than the last, episode 16 will take a year and a half to develop, and released in just over 6 years time. And unless his patrons abandon him (and they've remained pretty stable for the last 3 years now), he will have raked in somewhere between 4 and 11 million US dollars.

There's no fucking way this game is worth that kind of money, but good luck to him if he can pull it off for the next 6+ years...
Click to expand...
So what you are saying is that he should have stuck with the size and quality he had in a game from 6 years ago? Every episode he releases now is bigger and longer than Acting Lessons' 5000 images and 217 animations, with higher overall quality.
You're comparing a much shorter game to a whole series.
 
  • Like
Reactions: hermit_tr and Penfold Mole
C

Catsup3227

Member
Jul 22, 2024
171
216
Crusader of Romance said:
You do by buying also, but the whole point is to support the development. Game companies have investors but private developers don't. If nobody supports the development then the game can't be developed, or it will take a hell of a lot longer since they will only be able to work on it in their free time. Many of them, like DPC, have this as their full-time job.
Without it, majority of the games here wouldn't exist because nobody would be able to develop it.

Many developers on Patreon also have that you have to support them for a couple of months before you get the game, to make sure people don't just pay for one month and then bail, but DPC isn't one of them.
Click to expand...
You support the development (the developer fronts the costs and take a risk) or being a patron (you front the costs and take a risk but get the game for free when it is done). Doing both of these things are greedy, like trying to have the cake and eat it at the same time. Imagine if EA, Ubisoft, Rockstar or any other big AAA game developer asked you to fund the developemnt of their game and also buy the game for $70 bucks. That wouldn't fly at all, but that is exactly what DPC is doing.

You're doing mental gymnastics to justify why anyone should pay for the development cost two times. Kickstarter/crowdfunding is a non-greedy way to actually support the development costs of a game while getting the game for a set amount of money.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Gunizz
Crusader of Romance

Crusader of Romance

Well-Known Member
Dec 14, 2019
1,400
1,517
walker188 said:
There is a difference though, because DPC doesn't do a public release. So if you were on Patreon only, and you supports Eternum, you're going to get the game. If you're on Patreon only and you support Being a Dik, you're not.
Click to expand...
He used to but people leaked it before the public release so he stopped doing it.

You get those games even if you don't pay them anything so no, still not the same thing.
 
shazba jnr

shazba jnr

Member
Feb 3, 2024
471
3,370
Crusader of Romance said:
So what you are saying is that he should have stuck with the size and quality he had in a game from 6 years ago? Every episode he releases now is bigger and longer than Acting Lessons' 5000 images and 217 animations, with higher overall quality.
You're comparing a much shorter game to a whole series.
Click to expand...
"Quality" is very subjective. The quantity is larger, though, for sure. Look at the Interlude: For what was a very short story, size-wise (GB) it was about 2 thirds the size of his older game, but ran for no where near the length, was hardly interesting, had excessive renders for scenes that hardly needed them (like the scene when Zoey's getting tattooed, there are almost 30 different renders when the camera is simply panning back and forward between her and Bret. Why were there 30 renders? There only needed to be 2, 5 at most...).

What I'm pointing out is that when he released his first game, he released it on a timely schedule. 1, to 1.5 months between episodes. Now, he just takes longer and longer for each episode. 3 months for the 2nd episode. 3 1/2 for the 3rd, 4 1/2 for the 4th, 5/12 for the 6th, 7 months for the 8th episode, 9 1/2 for the 9th, 11 months for the 10th episode and now it looks to be 13+ months for the 11th episode. If he had actual investors, as opposed to everyday patrons, he'd be lynched by now. Lucky for him, Patreon's model actually rewards his continual bloat.

By the 4th episode people were already hooked on this game, there was nothing wrong with the quality, the length of the episode, or pretty much anything at all; people had long since been calling it a masterpiece. By the 5th episode he had peaked regarding steady patrons, and that episode took just over 5 months. The game isn't getting better, it's getting bloated; filled with excessive renders, highly unnecessary animations, and it's less engaging now than it was 3/12 years ago.

He should have stuck to the size and quality of the earlier episodes. Of course it wouldn't make sense financially, so actually he's perfectly fine doing it the way he is, but it is undeniably ridiculous.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Vill3m, ZT695, Skylaroo and 8 others
redsus123

redsus123

Member
Aug 24, 2021
238
270
Been on the fence for trying this for a while - finally pulled the plug and downloaded the 20Gig S1 and S2

I gotta ask what is so special about this game .. I'm not even attacking I'm genuinely asking - renders look nice but I see no animations which is rather disappointing specially it being 20GB

Looks to be story heavy so can someone just lemme know about the quality of the sexual stuff and if animations are there later on before i sink in more time - its 20GB so I'm sure its gonna take a while to get through the game and I dont wanna invest so much time only to regret it lmao
 
shazba jnr

shazba jnr

Member
Feb 3, 2024
471
3,370
redsus123 said:
Been on the fence for trying this for a while - finally pulled the plug and downloaded the 20Gig S1 and S2

I gotta ask what is so special about this game .. I'm not even attacking I'm genuinely asking - renders look nice but I see no animations which is rather disappointing specially it being 20GB

Looks to be story heavy so can someone just lemme know about the quality of the sexual stuff and if animations are there later on before i sink in more time - its 20GB so I'm sure its gonna take a while to get through the game and I dont wanna invest so much time only to regret it lmao
Click to expand...
This game isn’t just a porn game with sexy girls and animated fuck scenes for jerking off to.

It’s actually a really enjoyable flashback to 80s style college sex comedy. The characters are enjoyable as individual characters, not just tits and ass for the mc to fuck.

The music has been well selected to suit the scenes.

The humour is spot on (but always subjective).

And the story is a big pile of melodrama that is absorbing.

Also the creator pays a lot of attention to little details and heightens the game from the typical porn novels on this site.

It’s just a good fun romp with a nice guy mc that treats women as people (and never stoops to raping them in their sleep).

That’s my take anyway.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Vill3m, ElectronicRoberts and Penfold Mole
Gunizz

Gunizz

Well-Known Member
Aug 9, 2017
1,126
2,988
redsus123 said:
Been on the fence for trying this for a while - finally pulled the plug and downloaded the 20Gig S1 and S2

I gotta ask what is so special about this game .. I'm not even attacking I'm genuinely asking - renders look nice but I see no animations which is rather disappointing specially it being 20GB

Looks to be story heavy so can someone just lemme know about the quality of the sexual stuff and if animations are there later on before i sink in more time - its 20GB so I'm sure its gonna take a while to get through the game and I dont wanna invest so much time only to regret it lmao
Click to expand...
Do you base your interest only on animations? There are animation by the way. And if any, too many animations as you progress. The quality of animations is average for a VN. If you're expecting professional animations that's not the VN for you, if there is any (I have yet to see proper animations in a VN).
I personally appreciate this VN for various aspects, so yes you'll have to deal with a not linear plot, you will have to actually read all the dialogues, deal with extra stuff like phone apps and minigames and so on. It takes many hours to play and play again to discover all the paths.

Lewds are not among the best and are scarce in quantity compared to many others AVNs. So if you just look for sex scenes and good lewd animations this VN is not for you.

If you're into cutscenes "suitable for work" animations just wait for next episode in March 2025 (probably). :KEK:
 
  • Like
Reactions: Penfold Mole
TonyMurray

TonyMurray

Engaged Member
Apr 8, 2024
3,638
6,148
Gunizz said:
Lewds are ... scarce in quantity compared to many others AVNs.
Click to expand...
What is the basis for this statement? Genuine question, not an attack, I'm just curious.

I wouldn't say lewds are scarce in this game, and I've certainly played many games with far fewer lewds (taken in proportion to the total game length). Season 1-2 has 100 lewd scenes (and there's 34 in the Interlude + ep10), and I can't correlate that with the word "scarce". What you see obviously depends on choices, but there are definitely plenty of lewds there...
 
  • Like
Reactions: Penfold Mole, Krytax123 and KaiserST
Gunizz

Gunizz

Well-Known Member
Aug 9, 2017
1,126
2,988
TonyMurray said:
What is the basis for this statement? Genuine question, not an attack, I'm just curious.

I wouldn't say lewds are scarce in this game, and I've certainly played many games with far fewer lewds (taken in proportion to the total game length). Season 1-2 has 100 lewd scenes (and there's 34 in the Interlude + ep10), and I can't correlate that with the word "scarce". What you see obviously depends on choices, but there are definitely plenty of lewds there...
Click to expand...
Compared to the gameplay (the hours you need to properly finish an episode), the sex scenes are scarce. An episode of BaD is much bigger than a comparable single episode from the average VN. You have to consider the total volume, the ratio between sex scenes and the rest. Episode 11 will have even fewer lewds, only 18 scenes among 7150 static renders. Season 1 with a similar number of static renders had 29 scenes.
BaD is not really focused on sex scenes, so if you promote it telling newbies "you'll get plenty of good sex scenes" they will be deluded, you are creating false expectations. There are many VN more filled with sex or eroticism, compared to BaD.
So if a players looks mostly for sexual content, I wouldn't suggest this VN. It's not a VN that can suit everybody.
 
TonyMurray

TonyMurray

Engaged Member
Apr 8, 2024
3,638
6,148
Gunizz said:
Compared to the gameplay (the hours you need to properly finish an episode), the sex scenes are scarce. An episode of BaD is much bigger than a comparable single episode from the average VN. You have to consider the total volume, the ratio between sex scenes and the rest. Episode 11 will have even fewer lewds, only 18 scenes among 7150 static renders. Season 1 with a similar number of static renders had 29 scenes.
BaD is not really focused on sex scenes, so if you promote it telling newbies "you'll get plenty of good sex scenes" they will be deluded, you are creating false expectations. There are many VN more filled with sex or eroticism, compared to BaD.
So if a players looks mostly for sexual content, I wouldn't suggest this VN. It's not a VN that can suit everybody.
Click to expand...
I disagree that you would be deluding anyone or creating false expectations. And people play at different speeds anyway. It's not like it's a sex scene every time you blink, but it's hardly devoid of them either. Saying the scenes are scarce creates the impression (to me) that there are hardly any scenes, which is just not the case. I would suggest it's quite well balanced - it's not giving you so many scenes as to be just a fuckfest, but it's also not blue-balling you, it's comfortably in the middle.

And to be clear, I'm not saying that I personally promote the game based on the number or quality of the scenes, as I initially said, I was just curious as to your chosen response and wording.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Saboracss, Krytax123 and KaiserST
Chalk boss

Chalk boss

Member
Aug 31, 2024
410
2,440
lemakebe said:
Plus can anybody see any difference between 60fps & 30fps
Click to expand...
I guess he did 60 fps just because the character moves pretty slow during sex scenes. If you just speed up the scene the animations get jerky. Scenes with 60 fps are much smoother which is evident in the last episode.
shazba jnr said:
"Quality" is very subjective. The quantity is larger, though, for sure. Look at the Interlude: For what was a very short story, size-wise (GB) it was about 2 thirds the size of his older game, but ran for no where near the length, was hardly interesting, had excessive renders for scenes that hardly needed them (like the scene when Zoey's getting tattooed, there are almost 30 different renders when the camera is simply panning back and forward between her and Bret. Why were there 30 renders? There only needed to be 2, 5 at most...).

What I'm pointing out is that when he released his first game, he released it on a timely schedule. 1, to 1.5 months between episodes. Now, he just takes longer and longer for each episode. 3 months for the 2nd episode. 3 1/2 for the 3rd, 4 1/2 for the 4th, 5/12 for the 6th, 7 months for the 8th episode, 9 1/2 for the 9th, 11 months for the 10th episode and now it looks to be 13+ months for the 11th episode. If he had actual investors, as opposed to everyday patrons, he'd be lynched by now. Lucky for him, Patreon's model actually rewards his continual bloat.

By the 4th episode people were already hooked on this game, there was nothing wrong with the quality, the length of the episode, or pretty much anything at all; people had long since been calling it a masterpiece. By the 5th episode he had peaked regarding steady patrons, and that episode took just over 5 months. The game isn't getting better, it's getting bloated; filled with excessive renders, highly unnecessary animations, and it's less engaging now than it was 3/12 years ago.

He should have stuck to the size and quality of the earlier episodes. Of course it wouldn't make sense financially, so actually he's perfectly fine doing it the way he is, but it is undeniably ridiculous.
Click to expand...
The more I think about the reasons for everything that's going on right now, the more I'm sure his main mistake is the сrossroad. When ep8 ended it was already clear that he had trapped himself and development would only get more difficult. Usually developers introduce branching in the final stages, but he did it in the middle. He could have easily done without it. There was no need to create such long episodes because of branching to give equal content to all branches.
Also, it's been 3-4 months in the game at the time of ep8. No one makes such a big decision so early. MC could have easily announced his decision on Valentine's Day.

KaiserST said:
How I love this productive discussion about milking Patreons in a fucking pirate forum .

If you are a patron your are supporting someone, of course the value is higher than a game after a while, but that's not the point

If it weren't for them this game wouldn't exist, so stop this useless discussion.

Also you are all getting the game for free, so stop bitching.
Click to expand...
It's really funny. Especially since he fucking BANNED EVERYONE FROM F95 IN HIS DISCORD SERVER AND PATREON! WE CAN'T FUCKING SUPPORT HIM BECAUSE WE'RE BANNED!
 
  • Like
Reactions: ZT695
asakura14

asakura14

Member
Mar 14, 2022
166
294
it's not a problem for this page but this is the most popular page so...!

Why, on so many pages/games, the download links and descriptions dissappeared?? one example: Midnight paradise
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
4.70 star(s) 1,638 Votes